| By Chris Crawford |  | By 08-09-2010 |
As everyone is probably well aware -- Don Wakamatsu, Rick Adair and Ty Van Burkleo were fired today -- replaced with Daren Brown, Roger Hanson, Pedro Grifol and Carl Willis.
As one of about eleven Don Wakamatsu fans -- I don't like the move, but it is what it is. The team will have to find their fifth manager since 2004, and I have to assume many of the candidates they had back in 2008 (Pedro Guerrero, Joey Cora, others) will be in the mix. So will Bobby Valentine, Willie Randolph, Eric Wedge, and I'm sure a few surprise candidates as well.
Who are some candidates that you'd like to see the M's bring in for interviews?
Wakamatsu-Fired
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| 1. By: Shawnuel on 08-09-2010 19:21:42 Valentine and Wedge are the names mentioned that somewhat interest me. Dan Rohn would be my "outside the box" choice. |
| 2. By: NavyChief2004 on 08-09-2010 19:26:02 Can we talk Sweet Lou out of retirement?? lol |
| 3. By: safecochatter on 08-09-2010 19:34:33 Bobby Valentine..somone with some backbone! |
| 4. By: Rudolf on 08-09-2010 19:39:19 Who is the baseball equivalent of Bill Parcells? I want that guy! |
| 5. By: Lailoken on 08-09-2010 20:05:42 Chris, Daren Brown is in as interim manager with Hansen as the bench coach & Willis as pitching coach. No Grifol. |
| 6. By: Missthosepilots on 08-09-2010 20:09:28 Chris, thanks for your thoughts. I grew up in Seattle but now must follow M's from afar. I was disappointed in the firing of Cockrell. He was popular with players in minors and majors here in Colorado. I have read where people didn't like Wak's uses of pitchers, line ups, etc. He had a great rep coming in as a coach. Often good coaches are not great managers. Further thoughts welcome. Thanks! |
| 7. By: Blowgun7 on 08-09-2010 20:12:07 I'm really fearing this offseason. This move today tells me that ownership is absolutely clueless in regards to their expectations. Those clowns Lincoln and Armstrong don't have a clue when it comes to fielding a winning organization. All M's fans realize that next year should be a rebuild year with our young talent getting a lot of experience as we build towards 2012 and beyond. Next year is a 70-75 wins season IMO, and I'm content with that. However, something tells me that Jack will be demanded to field a winning team next year, put butts in the seats, and contend for the division. As a result, don't be surprised to see him forced to make moves with 2011 in mind and not the long term future of this organization in mind. Surely, it was proven today that Chuck and Howard don't get it. They saw an 85 win team in 2009 and assumed this year would be a 95 win team. They are clueless morons who are killing this organization. Jack now probably has to start thinking about his job security, so as I said, don't be shocked to see some mortgaging of the future come this offseason. This organization is a total joke. |
| 8. By: Lailoken on 08-09-2010 20:29:35 I definitely vote for Valentine. Stone's list includes Bryan Price which I find intriguing. A Valentine & Colburn pairing sounds about right. Hopefully, Valentine would have a better hitting coach in mind than Howard Johnson. |
| 9. By: Mackie on 08-09-2010 20:34:06 Agreed, if we start seeing some Bavasi-like moves during the offseason, it could well be an indicator of his hands being tied and/or his hand being forced from above. What's with all the love for Bobby Valentine? The guy is certainly charming and charismatic, but his career managerial numbers (winning percentage of .510, 114th on the all-time list out of 294 listed at Baseball-Reference.com)suggest that he could well be a fairly average manager. Although .510 is pretty decent for a manager, really... his numbers are better than 61% of those of the rest of the list. Who else is available? |
| 10. By: Mackie on 08-09-2010 20:36:34 Not saying Bobby Valentine would be a *bad* choice, he would probably be fine. I would just like to read some explanations as to why he would be such a *great* choice. or the best choice. |
| 11. By: Uncle Al on 08-09-2010 20:45:25 Blowgun7 I couldn't agree with you more. Lincoln and Armstrong got their hands all over this years roster and it makes me nervous also. Zduriencik and his people aren't going to bat a thousand % but these people are really good at making trades. They tried to make a run at it this year on the cheap and it backfired and blew up in their faces. The only good thing about this year is that the farm wasn't torched and is still intact. If Zduriencik does some really stupid things next year, we'll all know Lincoln and Armstrong are still meddling and there is no hope for the M's. |
| 12. By: Lailoken on 08-09-2010 21:02:45 Blowgun, I don't know how you come to the conclusion that the organization is clueless because they fired Wak. What has he done to prove he should helm a rebuilding team here? If there is clubhouse discontent with him then rebuilding the house would've been hard, he would've had to use some of the same material after all. I just don't see how a managerial change equates to management thinking this team should be winning right now. Also, this killing of the organization you speak of... I just don't see it. The farm system is much better than it was, that is what is going to provide stability going forward. Besides Kotchman the decisions this past offseason were defendable, even Kotchman was a swap for Bill Hall's salary burden. We might sneak up into a race, at least for awhile, after replacing some dead weight & getting better performances from returning players. As has been pointed out before in analysis of the Branyan deal playing for wins ensures a few more fans in seats & money in the payroll. You can be young at some spots while looking for a better 3B or 2B than Tuiasosopo in 2011 & not ruin the rebuilding process. Not starting Pineda in the rotation early in 2011 is fiscally smart too. Who wants a rebuild where you tell players to lose anyway? Anyway, rambling, if they sign Joe Overexpensive this offseason with Ed Wade idiocy I'll be ranting alongside you but I don't see that scenario forthcoming. |
| 13. By: Edman on 08-09-2010 21:12:04 Ahhh yes, the old Lincoln and Armstrong paradox. Seattle needs to fire them both, just so people can stop their consistant paranoid ramblings. Heaven forbid that anyone give credit to Jack, good or bad, for this decision. Again, it's that feared double-headed monster......Chowie. The sky is falling.......the sky is falling..... |
| 14. By: rjfrik on 08-09-2010 21:16:40 On another note the Orioles won again today and are 6-1 under Uncle Buck. I'm honestly not worried about finishing below them in the standings. We should pass them by in a week when we have a three game set against them. I have to say they look very good lately, especially their pitching. So it looks like it's going to be us against the Pirates. Should be a great race down to the wire. |
| 15. By: randallball on 08-09-2010 21:22:29 #5, Grifol is on the bench now, too. I'm with Chris as a Wak fan - he didn't have much to work with this season, and the injuries and "other issues" (which he isn't completely free from blame on, I admit) made it a no-win situation. Too bad that he is the fall guy, but such is the business. I hope he gets another shot somewhere, and I hope the M's make a wise choice for the next guy. We need a long-term answer. |
| 16. By: Chris Crawford on 08-09-2010 21:33:09 Ya, Grifol will be with the team soon, if he isn't already. I have zero desire to get M's news right now. |
| 17. By: michaellday on 08-09-2010 21:52:08 With Wak's firing my interest in the Mariner Organization is waning. Wak deserved another year with some decent bats in the lineup. It is a travesty Chone Figgins was allowed to put down his manager. I totally lost my respect for Figgins. Wow what a change, we were all talking division championship before the season. It has crumbled with the lightweight bats in the Mariner lineup. Even with the great pichting staff we had when Lee was here there was no doubt the team had no offense. It's my beief the fate of this team rests on the shoulders of the GM. Mr. Z who we thought was a savior turns out to be a bum unwilling to stand up for his man. |
| 18. By: gwangung on 08-09-2010 21:54:26 That's a good point, Edman; there's always that automatic impulse to dump on Lincoln and Armstrong. On the other hand, there's that quick hook, which is sorta spreading across GMs.... |
| 19. By: Rickv25 on 08-09-2010 22:15:52 M's just turn triple play. |
| 20. By: Juan Valdez on 08-09-2010 22:55:50 I'm curious. With regard to Lincoln and Armstrong, has anything substantive ever come out on the inner dynamics of the organization to give people reason to think that they are the problem? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them. I too suspect that they are at the root of what is wrong. I just don't know if there is any real evidence for it. |
| 21. By: jgstecker on 08-10-2010 09:00:33 I don't quite get how this is a Lincoln and Armstrong thing. I'm sure Wak lost a good deal of Armstrong's support after the Griffey debacle, which didn't help his cause. But I don't see any other evidence of interference from those two. The Griffey and Figgins incidents were just symptoms, not causes. The fact is that Wakamatsu lost control of his team. He wasn't going to get that back this year and probably not next year either. His responsibility was to deal with the messes brought into his clubhouse whether he made them himself, or management made them, or the players made them. All good managers control those things within their clubhouse. Wak simply couldn't do it. |
| 22. By: furlong on 08-10-2010 09:28:32 It is time for a major shakeup in the front office. Lincoln and Armstrong should be cashiered. Bring a baseball man like oh I don't know Pat Gillick comes to mind. Jack Z is so phony he should be shown the door also. At least we won't have to suffer through the Wak, Jack Z golfing commercial any more. |
| 23. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 09:39:32 jgstecker You forget that Lincoln and Armstrong were responsible for bringing back Griffey for one more year. He was the first FA signed and most blogs knew it was going to be a disaster and hoped the M's could still play with a 24 man roster and not have him play much. It's really not the managers fault when people above you force garbage on you and guarantee that you will fail because of it. Griffey also took up a portion of the budget which could have been spent on something useful. I won't defend Wakamatsu on anything else because I didn't with a lot of his decisions the year before and this year he was terrible. Lincoln and Armstrong are like a Cancer that won't go away. Even Bavasi has finally made a few comments about what they forced on him and unfortunately he was incapable of putting together a good trade or picking up FA worth anything. |
| 24. By: Rudolf on 08-10-2010 10:37:14 Jack Z so phony he should be shown the door? I couldn't disagree more. He seems like a straight shooter to me. Sure he speaks highly of a front office that none of us think highly of. He has to do that. And he sprayed a bunch of platitudes about Wak's job being secure. He has to do these things. But when it comes to answering interview questions, Jack sounds as honest as I could expect from any front office rep. Granted, if he doesn't want to answer the question he'll say no comment of give a half answer. He never comes off as a slimeball. Often times you can read between the lines to a satisfactory level. Most importantly, though, even if Jack were the fraud of all frauds, the guy is making good things happen for this franchise, and for that alone he should not be shown the door. |
| 25. By: acqb1424 on 08-10-2010 11:01:54 Jason or Chris, Random question for either of you, but let's just say when the season is done that the M's don't name Brown the full time manager. What then will happen to him? I hope they don't dismiss him from the organization. Same with the likes of Hansen, Willis and Grifol, since those three all came from roving instructors/upper management positions, is it safe to assume they would go back to their roles once the season is over? |
| 26. By: Ungnome on 08-10-2010 11:16:18 Lincoln and Armstrong are not going anywhere. If they were going to be fired it would have happened already. Sure, you can place blame for bringing Griffey back on Lincoln and Armstrong. However this team was going to have power issues before Griffey failed. Keeping him around did not prevent the Mariners from making a deal. Griffey's salary and roster spot had zero affect. Jack has done so much better than expected in turning around the organization. At the USSM/LL event with Jack, it was Jack who tried tempering enthusiasm for 2010. He knew where the team was lacking. He admitted as much. Unfortunately power bats are a limited resource with a high cost of acquisition. So the Mariners failed to acquire one and we are where we are. Address the issue going forward and see what happens. We all know what happened this year, no point in rehashing the failures again. |
| 27. By: maqman on 08-10-2010 11:17:03 Brown has paid his dues and done well in Tacoma. He deserves to get the first shot to see what he can do. I would also nominate Bryan Price. He was the Seattle Mariners' pitching coach from 2001-2006. Price earned USA Today Baseball Weekly's Pitching Coach of the Year Award in 2001 after leading that staff to the American League ERA title with a 3.54 mark, an improvement of almost one run per game from the previous season. He is currently the pitching coach for the Cincinnati Reds. Along with English, Price speaks Spanish, to help communicate with Latino players.(From Wikipedia) |
| 28. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 11:20:00 Uncle Al, you care to prove that it was Armstrong and Lincoln by themselves, who brought Griffey back? I've never read anywhere that the decision was made by those two alone. Please show me an article that dismisses everyone else in the Mariner organization in regard to Griffey's return. I do know that a lot of people like you "assumed" that your favorite scapegoats made that decision in a vaccuum, but there is nothing I've ever seen, beyond conjecture, that supports your claim. I'd shed no tears if both are gone, and I'm hoping they will be, before next season. But, to assume that Jack, Wak and others played no part in his return, is naive. Were you crying foul last year, when Griffey and Sweeney helped bring in a sense of direction for a ballclub that passed the 100 loss mark? Will you be cheering for every Felix Hernandez start, over the next five years? If so, then you can thank Griffey and Sweeney for creating an atmosphere that made him want to return. It's so easy to look at things with a narrow-minded point of view. There is every indication that both Lincoln and Armstrong backed away after their failings with Bavasi, and handed Jack the control of the team that he needed. Jason has mentioned that before. |
| 29. By: baseballman on 08-10-2010 11:52:19 Edman the Ms extended Felix on Jan 21, 2010 and then they signed Feb 19, 2010 so your theory that Felix re-signed because of Griffey this year is false. Grriffey coming back in 2010 was a PR ploy. Do you really think Jack cares about PR or do you think he cares about winning? And dont say both |
| 30. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 12:00:00 My assumption was not based on his signing this year. It was based on the atmosphere he helped create in 2009, that helped Felix make his decision to return easier. You think he resigns after another 100 loss season, with no hope of a future? I don't. |
| 31. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 12:00:43 Edman You care to prove that it wasn't Armstrong and Lincoln by themselves, who brought Griffey back? I've never read anywhere that the decision was made by more than those two alone. Please show me an article that dismisses everyone else in the Mariner organization in regard to Griffey's return. I do know that a lot of people like you "believe" that Armstrong and Lincoln would never have made a decision to meddle in the teams affairs but there is nothing I've ever seen, beyond conjecture, that supports your claim. I'd shed no tears if both are gone, and I'm hoping they will be, before next season. But, to assume that Jack, Wak and others played a part in Griffey's return, is naive. Were you crying foul last year, when Griffey and Sweeney helped bring in a sense of direction for a ballclub that passed the 100 loss mark? Will you be cheering for every Felix Hernandez start, over the next five years? If so, then you can thank Griffey and Sweeney for creating an atmosphere that made him want to return. It's so easy to look at things with a narrow-minded point of view. There is every indication that both Lincoln and Armstrong backed away after their failings with Bavasi, handed Jack the control of the team that he needed, and then meddled by bringing Griffey back. Jason has mentioned that before. |
| 32. By: baseballman on 08-10-2010 12:02:13 Maybe not in January but Felix still had what, 2 years left? It wasnt as if if we didnt extend him last January then he would have never signed. Besides what does Giffrey in 2009 have to do with Griffey in 2010? |
| 33. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 12:52:58 Did Edman take his ball and go home? He is a very sick individual. |
| 34. By: rjfrik on 08-10-2010 13:19:39 As Jermaine from the Flight of the Conchords would say "He turned it right back round on me!" |
| 35. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 13:32:36 What Griffey in 2009 has to do with is helping to change the atmosphere, and making it a more appealing place for Felix to want to stay. BTW, Al, who are you to judge anyone? You are often are unwilling to accept comments made that are different from yours, calling those who disagree with you names. Including your reference to me as a sick individual. Stay on topic. rj, stop the drive-by snide comments. Stand up or shut up, but don't throw gas on the fire, and expect that you're adding anything. |
| 36. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 13:38:52 BTW, Uncle Al.....great justification for your stance. Nice way to try and spin your comments. I never said I had any knowledge, one way or the other. But at least I did mention that Jason has commented that it appears that Jack was given full control of the baseball decisions. It might have changed, but then again, it might not have. I don't have to prove anything, but you are the one who made the statement that Lincoln and Armstrong "by themselves" chose to bring Griffey back. Man-up, and admit that you have no proof of that. It's purely conjecture. And, if you're going to make such a bold statement, back it up. |
| 37. By: randallball on 08-10-2010 14:14:44 Why does every thread devolve into this? Lots of fun for the rest of us. |
| 38. By: rocketdawg31 on 08-10-2010 14:22:56 I don't want Piniella back, he's become a bit of a tired old man going on reputation. And I want Bobby Valentine even less, he makes me want to curl up a fist and smash it in his face. He's a weasel who's way too sure he owns a superior intellect. Clint Hurdle or Eric Wedge I think would make fine choices if they decide not to retain Daren Brown. |
| 39. By: marinerforever on 08-10-2010 14:34:50 Edman Felix was gonna resign anyways he is not some one out there to go to the highest bidder he is very comfortable here resigning griffey had no effect on the situation and we paid him very well so it was a easy sign for him to stay As far as managers I would love to see them retain what they have who better than brown he knows everyone and has respect of all the younger players. And I do not wanna see valentine as our manager This team is not that far away from being a very good team let's grow with current staff as the future of ackley pineda triunfel. Saunders 20q2 will be the year we return to glory |
| 40. By: Lamda on 08-10-2010 14:43:24 Needs to be an 'experienced' manager now. We went with the newb and failed so you can cross off any of the no-experience guys. |
| 41. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 14:45:26 marinerforever, why should he sign "anyway"? He could be a free agent soon, and likely get signed to a longer, more expensive contract with a contender like the Yankees. We paided him well, but let's not assume he would have signed, I sure wouldn't, if I didn't feel there was hope. How much is a kid that talented and that young worth to the Yankees? Way more than he got from the M's. Believe what you want, but 2009's successes in part helped get him signed. |
| 42. By: mauricewilliamsiii on 08-10-2010 14:57:39 WOW! First off Uncle Al, it is impossible to prove a negative. Edman is justified in asking you to reference your speculation regarding Junior and the front office. You turning it around on him and asking him to prove a negative leaves you no sound footing and should be stowed away immediately. Edman has also made a keen judgement about the Felix situation. Without last season Felix is probably pitching for another team right now and thinking otherwise is delusional. Lastly, Bobby Valentine is a manager on the verge of putting it all together. As a speaker of English, Spanish, Japanese and I've heard Italian he would be perfect for the M's clubhouse. And most of all he won't take crap from players, umpires or the front office. Valentine would be a perfect hire at just the right time. |
| 43. By: Mackie on 08-10-2010 15:29:11 Yes, as Chris said to start the thread, "Who are some candidates that you'd like to see the M's bring in for interviews?" Thanks for the insights on Valentine, Maurice. His ability to speak several languages was a very obvious thing I had overlooked! That, along with his baseball acumen, would seem to make him a very good one to pursue. How would Valentine do with young players during a time of rebuilding? Would Valentine be better than Tony LaRussa, assuming that if LaRussa came to Seattle he would bring Dave Duncan along? |
| 44. By: 11records on 08-10-2010 16:34:36 Grady Little? He's had success. |
| 45. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 16:40:57 mauricewilliamsiii Can't you see that my response #31 is almost a perfect mirrow image of the ridiculous post that Edman made. Why do people like you jump in when you aren't even intelligent enough to understand what is going on. Edman has been goading me for the last few days and I will never answer one of Edman's insane posts. He really is mentally ill and this will go on for days as he will continue to attack anything I say for days as he wants to make me respond. You don't normally see people respond to his posts because he never has anything intelligent to say or that just isn't insulting to most people. Funnier yet "baseballman" catches him in a couple lies and watching him trying to crawl out of it. Another one of his brilliant statements was about the Bedard trade where he told us that it would be the greatest trade we could ever make and would make the M's a World Series contender. This went on for weeks before the trade was made. So now we have to listen to his how Griffey saved Hernandez for the M's trivel. |
| 46. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 17:21:56 baseballman did not catch me in a lie, he assumed that my comment had to do with Griffey resigning for 2010, and it did not. And, I explained as much in another post. Key words and phrases to insulting: insane ridiculous posts that ______ made you aren't even intelligent enough is mentally ill Other than pointing them out, just who's posts use those words? And get over your paranoia. I have goaded nobody. If you make a statement as fact, back it up. I've given rj a worse time than you, but not on a personal basis, but on his point of view. I could care less about who makes a post. If I think they're off-center and avoiding facts, I'll mention it, as should anyone else. Because someone says something, it doesn't make it true. |
| 47. By: mauricewilliamsiii on 08-10-2010 17:22:14 Valentine has a reputation for allowing young players to develop not hindering them. If the M's could get LaRussa I'd be all for it but I would take Valentine over anyone else. Even Torre or Piniella. |
| 48. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 17:23:40 I like the Bobby Valentine suggestion. I forgot about his ability to speak spanish and japanese. And, he's proven himself to be a modivator. |
| 49. By: marinermutt on 08-10-2010 17:29:27 Jason, Will you have any information in the next few days on our draft picks that are not signed. Monday night is the deadline and we haven't signed #2,3,4,11,14 and 16 out of our top 20. Any inside information would be appreciated. |
| 50. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 17:42:13 Edman If you want to make a rebuttal of something I say, back it up with your own statement of fact. My statement that Chuck and Howard meddled in the Griffey signing is a lot more accurate than anything you can up with to disprove it. If you don't have anything to add with any substance, why not keep your snide remarks to yourself instead of shooting your mouth off. This statement "If I think they're off-center and avoiding facts, I'll mention it," where you have decided to play God is exactly the problem. The "I think" is where things really go haywire. |
| 51. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 18:21:05 In other words, it's okay for you to say something that can't be backed-up, but I'm the one who has to validate my statement? Something counter logical in that. I don't have to disprove a thing, I didn't make a claim, you did. Back it up, same as others here do. |
| 52. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 18:50:58 I don't have to prove a thing to you either and that's the point. Where is your back-up? And that is why you will always be insulting as your statements are never validated. You have nothing to add to a post that has any value. Only your "I think" which is completely worthless and insulting to most other people here. At least my argument that Chuck and Howard had their hands in the Griffey signing has a much stronger possibility than anything you could ever come up with to disprove it. There was a lot of evidence that Chuck was fully responsible for signing Griffey in the first place and it stands to reason that Zduriencik didn't need an old washed up player that proved he couldn't hit or field on a team that was still rebuilding and also trying to make a run for it in 2010. With so much talk on other blogs about Chuck and Howard on the Griffey signing, common sense would tell you that there is some inside information to link Chuck and Howard but this would never sink into your head. You are too busy to pick at somebody and holler give me the facts. It may be a great shock to you but life doesn't work that way either. |
| 53. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 19:36:09 Show the evidence. That's all you have to do. BTW, conjecture is not evidence. |
| 54. By: Edman on 08-10-2010 19:45:24 To better address your evidence, Jack's late signing of Griffey for the 2009 season, in fact suggests that it was fully his decision, because he did not sign him right away. If Armstrong was fully responsible, then Jack would have been instructed to sign him quickly, so they could market him. There were budget contraints to deal with, otherwise Abreu would probably have been signed instead. OMG....talk on other blogs is now tantamount to the truth? If ten thousand bloggers say that pink is actually green, then it is? Yeah, I'm sure Mariner insiders rush to the internet to rat out the organization. Enough said, continue it you want. Until you provide actual evidence, rather than run-around pretzel logic, you're just another of those bloggers who think pink is green. |
| 55. By: mauricewilliamsiii on 08-10-2010 20:05:50 There you have it Edman. Uncle's 'evidence' is the comments sections of USSMariner and LookoutLanding. Didn't you know that everything on those two sites is gospel to half the M's blogosphere. |
| 56. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 21:40:54 Edman Your last post is one huge lie. It was common knowledge and put out to the public by the M's that Armstrong was the one instrumental in getting Griffey here because of their relationship. You have completely lost your mind. You say it wasn't Armstrongs's decision to sign Griffey because he (Jack) didn't sign him right away is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Griffey's contract was very unusual, complicated, and incentive laden which his agent worked out with the M's. The Griffey contract was still going to be much cheaper than any Abreu contract but what does Abreu have to do with this. If you want to argue, at least argue about something which is real. Another of your big lies. Where did I ever say the Mariners insiders rush to the internet to give out information. How do you keep coming up with your fantasies. You are really sick and need help. I'm not the one having a problem decided between pink or green. Just look at your last ridiculous post. YOu now say the tooth fairy is responsible for signing Griffey. |
| 57. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 21:50:57 Edman That is an out and out fabricated lie about Jack by you. Your statement that a late signing of Griffey suggests that this would support that Jack signed Griffey is just the most assinine thing I've ever heard. What is wrong with you? Is your mind totally gone? There were numerous articles where it's stated that Armstrong was instrumental in signing Griffey because of their friendship. This info was made available to the whole world by the M's. Where you back under your rock? How can anyone ever communicate with you when you even ignore the facts you sorely demand others to supply you with. Griffey got a very complicated and lengthy incentive contract which took a lot of time to work out with his agent. What in Goss name does Abreu have to do with this? I'm not talking about bloggers for Christ sake. There are people in Seattle that do get inside information that use it properly. You think I have a color problem but at least I don't fall for continual lies. mauricewilliamsiii I know even Drayer, Stone, Baker, and the TNT are all morons and only you and Edman know better. I'm not surprised as to your comment as you aren't much better than Edman it appears. |
| 58. By: rjfrik on 08-10-2010 21:57:39 The great thing about this season (besides giggling while I read the posts throughout the year where Edman attacks someone, they rebuttal, then he rebuttals and so on and so forth) is that we are losing and losing badly. With the success and turn around of the Baltimore Orioles we will now have the NUMBER 1 PICK!!! It truly is a great time to be a Mariner Fan!! Huh Ed? Repeat after me. We want R-E-N-D-O-N We want R-E-N-D-O-N We want R-E-N-D-O-N |
| 59. By: Uncle Al on 08-10-2010 22:17:04 rjfrik Have no fear, Edman is going to bring Griffey back so every FA in the world will want to come to Seattle where the atmosphere is so much fun and play for no money with a guy who can't hit or field. It will be such a challenge to play on a team with 8 players and one dead black hole against 9 players. |
| 60. By: Edman on 08-11-2010 11:24:14 Uncle Al, think what you want, but don't ever call me a liar, unless you can prove it. "Your last post is one huge lie. It was common knowledge and put out to the public by the M's that Armstrong was the one instrumental in getting Griffey here because of their relationship." Griffey signed on February 19, 2009, exactly like I said, he was a late signing. So what if Chuck Armstrong used his influence with Griffey to help get him signed? It doesn't mean that it wasn't Jack's decision. If Jack wanted him, wouldn't he be stupid not to use whatever avenues were available to him to accomplish that task? Don't you think (using logic) that had Armstrong and Lincoln have demanded that Griffey be signed, that it would have been done long before February, so they could market it and sell season ticket packages? This, IMHO, was totally Jack's decision, because he didn't have the budget to go sign someone like Abreu. So, he had to find a more economical solution. It was a reasonable contract and was a good sign, for the money. Just so you know, Jason noted back in late 2008 that indeed by appearance, that Armstrong and Lincoln both showed that they were letting Jack make the baseball decisions. So, in calling me a liar, you've called him one as well. Did that happen for the 2010 season? Who knows, but I believe that the entire Mariner organization looked at the Griffey situation, not just Armstrong and Lincoln. I think all they were hoping for from Griffey was one last season like he had in 2009. He struggled, along with everyone else not named Ichiro or Franklin. It's not what they hoped for, but it's what they got. One man was not responsible for their collapse this season. |
| 61. By: Uncle Al on 08-12-2010 13:56:14 "And girl, yeah, baby You know, you know you got it, girl" [Comment edited with random NKOTB lyric. No more personal attacks please!] |
| 62. By: Uncle Al on 08-12-2010 13:58:38 "Ooh on your body, it's our own little private party Lets do this, lets get started" [Comment edited with random NKOTB lyric. No more personal attacks please!] |
| 63. By: Ungnome on 08-12-2010 14:00:34 "There's so much I like in you I can't go on, I wanted a girl like you I've looked so long, girl, nothing will make us wrong, I know our love is too strong, let's leave the rest behind, our dreams ask what we will find. " [Comment edited with random NKOTB lyric. No more personal attacks please!] |
| 64. By: PositivePaul on 08-12-2010 14:04:05 In case anyone's wondering, I'm the one editing comments. At least random New Kids on the Block lyrics are more entertaining to read than personal attacks. I apologize for any selection bias but I'm not somewhere that I can do this fairly so I'm doing it randomly. Al, Edman, Ungnome, everyone. Please. STOP! |
| 65. By: baseballman on 08-12-2010 14:05:59 "I will never let you Think that I am someone that I'm not You're down for me I'm holding on to what I've got First impressions work I've always found Being with you I know my heart's on solid ground " [Comment edited with random NKOTB lyric. No more personal attacks please!] [We're trying but the three of us can't monitor the site 24x7] |
| 66. By: Uncle Al on 08-12-2010 14:06:21 "Put it on my tab, I'm buyin?, I'm sendin? a bottle your way Put it on my tab ?cause you had a long day Put it on my tab, I'm buyin?, I'm sendin? my lovin? your way Put it on my tab, keep doin? your thing for me" [Comment edited with random NKOTB lyric. No more personal attacks please!] |
| 67. By: Uncle Al on 08-12-2010 14:06:26 "And I'm like stop, stop Let me take a mental shot of this moment, yeah Ooh, baby drop, drop Everything you doin? right now and just hold it Click, click, click" [Comment edited with random NKOTB lyric. No more personal attacks please!] |
| 68. By: baseballman on 08-12-2010 14:18:37 HAHA!! Posts 61-67=pure awesomeness Stuff like that is why this site is the best around! |
| 69. By: PositivePaul on 08-12-2010 14:20:59 :-) Sorry, I am in a crappy mood here at work and had to take it out on something... And before anyone tries to ascribe any meaning to the lyrics I copied/pasted -- they were literally completely random. I pulled up a page with lyrics and randomly highlighted, copied and then pasted them. I didn't even read what I was copying pasting. |
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