| By Chris Crawford | ![]() | By 08-29-2010 |
| 1. By: fjpavia on 08-29-2010 21:14:07 The bad - 2nd paragraph - spelling excited as exited. |
| 2. By: mauricewilliamsiii on 08-29-2010 21:51:52 The Ugly - forcing Pineda to get to the 140 innings on 80-85 pitch counts. Talk about putting unneccessary pressure on the kid to perfect for him to have a chance to win games. Innings limits good. Pitch counts o.k. 80-85 pitch counts for a starter in July and August, height of stupidity. |
| 3. By: Jason A. Churchill on 08-29-2010 22:30:27 Not a spelling issue, fjp, it's just a missed typo. You wanna go chastise for typos, go elsewhere. Thank you, good day. |
| 4. By: 11records on 08-29-2010 23:21:54 Make that 48 hits in 35 innings on Beavan. Very prescient, Chris. |
| 5. By: Edman on 08-29-2010 23:57:07 I don't think there's anything stupid about pitch counts with Pineda. What's the hurry? Does he need to be in Seattle's rotation by next season? Let the kid get through the season healthy, then start to expand his innings and pitch counts, next year. He's too good a prospect to not take care in his handling. And so what if he were to have 100 pitch, pitch-counts in July and August? It just means you shut him down sooner. And, probably limit your ability to promote him to AAA, because he'd already be close to his total innings limit. I'd rather they take care and caution with him, especially in light of the Strasburg news. No need to overstress his arm this year. |
| 6. By: mauricewilliamsiii on 08-30-2010 00:13:15 Yes Edman, but what if the lower pitch counts are causing a psychological reaction in the pitchers that is less pitches means more max effort means more chance to make outs and get farther in the game. Both Tony Gwynn expressed this sentiment on the day the surgery was announced. Basically the theory goes that the pitcher knows how many pitches he has so to get the best results out of the limited pitches he goes max effort more often than if he had a more reasonable pitch count. Plus where do these numbers come from. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that throwing 100 pitches is more likely to cause damage than 85. Or in Strasburg's case that throwing 120 is more likely to cause damage than throwing 100. |
| 7. By: dawgncarolina on 08-30-2010 01:02:25 "Plus where do these numbers come from. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that throwing 100 pitches is more likely to cause damage than 85.Or in Strasburg's case that throwing 120 is more likely to cause damage than throwing 100." And there's no scientific evidence that it doesn't. And in the absence of evidence, you use common sense. And common sense says that the more pitches one throws, the more likely they are to get tired, and the more likely they are to get tired the more likely they are to let their mechanics slip, and the more likely they are to let their mechanics slip the more likely they are to jack something up. It's not really that hard. And if the Gwynn hypothesis was correct than we'd see relievers throwing out their arms more often than starters, which we do not even close to see. It's a ridiculous notion. |
| 8. By: dawgncarolina on 08-30-2010 02:27:07 And if your argument is that he's trying to get deep enough into the game to qualify for the win, then he would be more prone to pitch to contact than to overthrow for the strikeout (which takes more pitches), so again, it doesn't work. There's just way too many holes in your argument. |
| 9. By: mauricewilliamsiii on 08-30-2010 02:57:00 I'm saying that the pitcher knows he only has x amount of pitches which makes him less likely to waste pitches which means a higher percentage of the pitches he throws are going to be max effort. We have a team now that doesn't believe in strict pitch counts in the Rangers so I would say lets watch and see which teams have more injuries the coddlers like the M's and Nationals or the team that just trusts guys to know their own limits and just lets them throw. By the way they throw a lot more over in Japan and they seem to have less injuries. At least less high profile ones. |
| 10. By: fjpavia on 08-30-2010 08:11:57 Didn't mean to chastise - just used "the bad" to point out where it was. wanted to point out where it was. CC had previously stated he didn't like stuff like that in his articles. Sorry for any potential misinterpretation |
| 11. By: ripperlv on 09-04-2010 11:04:43 Chris I'm just curious. Two weeks ago, were you already thinking shut this guy down now? How do you pick the exact # of innings? I know the Nationals wished they had the magic number. |
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