| By Jason A. Churchill | ![]() | By 03-29-2011 |
I think we all know the Seattle Mariners aren't likely to win 90 games and contend in the American League West -- although none of the other three clubs are runaway favorites that appear capable of winning 95-100 games. So 2011 is, whether the club publicly admits it or not, somewhat of a rebuilding season.| No. 1 -- Michael Pineda, RHP |
| No. 2 -- Dustin Ackley, 2B |
| No. 3 -- Franklin Gutierrez, CF |
| No. 4 -- Justin Smoak, 1B |
| No. 5 -- Nick Franklin, SS |
| No. 6 -- David Aardsma, RHP |
| No. 7 -- >Miguel Olivo, C |
| No. 8 -- Brandon League, RHP |
| No. 9 -- Jason Vargas, LHP |
| No. 10 -- Michael Saunders, OF |
| 1. By: AntsInIn on 03-29-2011 22:00:06 So IF the Mariners do indeed get Rendon in the draft, how much more likely does that make a Figgins trade? Also, which do you see being traded first? Last? Assume no health concerns and career average year. Aardsma Bedard Figgins Wilson |
| 2. By: Jason A. Churchill on 03-29-2011 22:06:42 1. None, at least for 2011-2012. Though they still might deal him anyway. Rendon isn't stepping onto Safeco in April 2012 as the starter at third. 2. Aardsma, provided he does come back in April. |
| 3. By: Lailoken on 03-29-2011 22:24:22 JAC, what are the odds the team trades both Aardsma & League by the trade deadline? Wilhelmsen, Lueke, Kelley, Cortes, Fields, Pryor, Fray Martinez, Snow, Burgoon, Mieses, Robles, Paredes, & Moran may have a lot to prove but by August 1st a lot of those guys could prove themselves MLB-ready or near MLB-ready. Besides, you'd think that if multiple trades are made (Aardsma, League, Jack Wilson, maybe Bedard, maybe Olivo, maybe Figgins, Bradley, Cust, Ray, Wright, Kennedy) at least one near MLB-ready bullpen arm would be coming to the M's in return. |
| 4. By: Jason A. Churchill on 03-29-2011 22:38:08 Not great odds, but it's still very possible. They get awfully pricey next winter. |
| 5. By: safecochatter on 03-29-2011 23:18:11 Surprised Bedard's not on this list,although i guess he needs to show health first. tidbits from my 6 days in phoenix that ended today. of the 3 parks i visited... Salt River Field(Rockies/D-Backs) - A for the field D for their attitude. which includes vendors selling mostly just coors,so they could yell.."Taping the Rockies here"! u want something else go get it yourself.. not to say anything about your entrance,where you feel anything but a cavity search is possible. plus prices 10 to 20 % more than any other field. Surprise(Texas/KC) - A for the field and A for the people working here! Plus free parking! Peoria (M's/Pads) B+ for the field and B+ for the people. this complex has been the master to all the new complex's down here. but the new fields all have a lot more mid day shade.The big plus for Peoria..it has good player access. I took several photos of Ichiro on several different occasions. i never saw him smile. not once. i hope he has a good year,but the Japan thing has really got him "pre-occupied". Chone seems much happier and i think we'll see a much better year. |
| 6. By: 36148 on 03-30-2011 00:14:23 Jason, please give me a baseball reason why Ichiro won't be traded. Everyone always says, 'not happening.' Why not? (My guess it's FA nonbaseball logic) We still could get some serious younger talent to help us contend in 2012/2013. thanks. |
| 7. By: 36148 on 03-30-2011 00:16:09 I mean: "it's a FO (front office) nonbaseball logic...." |
| 8. By: johnfree on 03-30-2011 02:49:52 36148, The Baseball reason trading Ichiro isn't going to happen is because trading him wouldn't help the club. Unless you were willing to eat at least part of Ichiro's contract you won't get a worthwhile prospect in return. However, if you end up eating part of Ichiro's contract, you just got rid of the main reason to trade him in the first place. |
| 9. By: gregorilla on 03-30-2011 08:25:09 Is this team going to really need to dump a lot of its youth to win? I feel that this has been the approach of both the Phillies and Brewers recently, and while it worked for the Phillies, their pool of team talent was deeper when they made their trades. I'd rather trade off players of moderate to low return (Jack Wilson, Olivo, Aardsma, maybe League) and keep the core intact. A related question: Is there talk that MLB and the player's association may do away with service time and free agent compensation in the coming off-season? |
| 10. By: Madison Mariner on 03-30-2011 11:17:59 "Is this team going to really need to dump a lot of its youth to win?" Well, just because the players with the most trade value according to the rankings above happen to be the young players doesn't mean the team will 'need to dump' them, as you put it. I think it just reflects that they have the highest value right now. It makes more sense for the M's to use this as a consolidation/rebuilding year, trading off a few players close to free agency(Jack Wilson, perhaps Milton Bradley) or players who are still under team control but may have value(David Aardsma, Miguel Olivo) and get what they can to further stock the minor league system, adding to the continual rebuilding. Moore will need to break out and prove he can be the #1 catcher to justify moving Olivo, but the rest of them already have their replacements in the M's system(Ackley for Wilson and/or Kennedy at 2B, Saunders for Bradley, and a number of young relievers for Aardsma, including Dan Cortes). One other player I thought of as having value is DH Jack Cust. Cust had his service time in 2010 reduced after Oakland outrighted him to AAA for a month, then re-added himm to the 40-man and brought him back up. He won't get to 6 years of service time until after 2012(instead of after 2011) as a result, so the M's essentially got an extra year of team control when they signed him. Any chance they tender him a contract next offseason, then trade him to another team and go after a bigger name for DH? He could bring back a useful prospect if he has a good season(of course, being a DH limits the pool of interested teams to other AL teams, and we could probably cross off Oakland as a potential suitor.) |
| 11. By: Jason A. Churchill on 03-30-2011 13:04:57 Why do I have to give a baseball reason for Ichiro not being traded? There isn't one, but there are GOOD reasons to not trade Ichiro. He doesn't suck -- and you all know I'm not an Ichiro fan -- and he brings in Japanese advertising money. He probably still brings a few people to the ballpark with him, too, and not many Mariners outside he and Felix do. But the point is, he's not going to be traded unless he asks for it, and there is no reason to believe that happens. |
| 12. By: maqman on 03-30-2011 13:31:48 I'm sorry but I don't get the trade Ichiro or trade Felix considerations. They are both more valuable to the M's than any other team and young Cy Young Award winners and 200 hits a year Gold Glove fielders are once in a lifetime rarities. Enjoy them while you can, you may never see their equal again in your lifetime. |
| 13. By: dewey on 03-30-2011 15:46:24 Lets get this straight there isnt a team in baseball that will take on Bradley we our stuck with him until his next meltdown .Im guessing that should be April 24-26th! lol..Im holding my breath on Bedard its nice he had a good 5 weeks in arizona i will believe it if he is still on the mound come june 1.Lets hope neither of these things happen but it has every year we have had these two. |
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