| By Jason A. Churchill |  | By 06-08-2011 |
The Seattle Mariners made 30 selections Tuesday and while we're all still recovering from the shock of pick No. 2, the club has been busy, so let's catch up with them.Subscribers can check out the full scouting reports on second rounder Brad Miller and third-round pick Kevin Cron (hint, potential plus-plus tool), and reports on a number of the club's Day 2 selections, by clicking here.
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Final grades will come later this week, as well as my choices for best pick, worst pick, quickest to the big leagues, the class' best tools and an overall analysis of the club's draft as well as how they fit among the other clubs in the American League West.
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| 1. By: DAMellen on 06-08-2011 02:31:54 I can't get the scouting reports to work. Is that just me or is the link busted? |
| 2. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-08-2011 02:35:03 Not just you, DAMellen. I get the "HostGator 404", too. |
| 3. By: JD Kickastro on 06-08-2011 02:35:09 Same problem, here. |
| 4. By: JD Kickastro on 06-08-2011 02:42:50 Got it, guys. Change the end of the URL to (.doc) instead of (.php) and the scouting reports will download. |
| 5. By: 200tang on 06-08-2011 02:51:12 I don't have Word :( I'm sure Jason will fix it up soon though. |
| 6. By: aerichner on 06-08-2011 02:57:07 So, at the same stage is Marlette better than Baron or not? I read during the day 2 thread that you said he was "Steve Baron with less ceiling". Im not sure if its that you had less info on Marlette when you said that or if you just didnt like WHERE Baron was drafted and how much he was PAID (hence your "they didn't spend the No. 33 overall pick and $1 million to get him. " line) |
| 7. By: DAMellen on 06-08-2011 03:02:53 Anybody have any word on Cavan Cohoes? Does he have interesting skills or just an interesting upbringing? His swing looked pretty good in the scouting video and his speed and arm are exceptional (4.33 40 yard dash and 94 mph fastball). Anyone have any thoughts? |
| 8. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-08-2011 03:23:11 I'll fix... thanks for letting me know. Been a long two days! |
| 9. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-08-2011 03:28:03 Just in case anybody's having issues with the Miller document: It seems at first to be Cron's report again, but if you type "Brad Miller" in place of "Kevin Cron" and then insert (.doc) instead of (.php), the Miller report comes up as a read-only document. Re: Cavan Cohoes Well, athletic tools like that will surely get a shot. But it's not often raw tools become baseball skills. But Larry Walker a long time ago once ran the bases the wrong direction his first year in the minors, and look what he became. Just gotta wait and see, I guess. |
| 10. By: TXMariner on 06-08-2011 07:59:37 Kevin Cron looks very interesting as a potential jackhammer in the middle of the lineup. Does it look like we'll be able to get him signed? |
| 11. By: Adam P. Boyd on 06-08-2011 09:03:22 I still don't understand the Brad Miller pick. |
| 12. By: safecochatter on 06-08-2011 09:28:36 I like the Cron pick. Usually DH is reserved for a 1st baseman without feet or an outfielder without wheels. surprised more teams don't keep an eye out for a potential dh. but the m's have found a guy with a "70" power rating to left field. a very nice thing to have if 1/2 your games are at Safeco.. |
| 13. By: safecochatter on 06-08-2011 09:29:11 I like the Cron pick. Usually DH is reserved for a 1st baseman without feet or an outfielder without wheels. surprised more teams don't keep an eye out for a potential dh. but the m's have found a guy with a "70" power rating to left field. a very nice thing to have if 1/2 your games are at Safeco.. |
| 14. By: DAMellen on 06-08-2011 09:46:32 I know athletic tools rarely become baseball skills. That's why I was wondering what kinda baseball skills he has. He didn't have much fanfare coming into the draft but is that because he slipped under the radar growing up in Germany or is it because he's not that good? |
| 15. By: masonb on 06-08-2011 09:48:55 Jason, I tried rocketdawg's suggestion for the Brad Miller document but it doesn't work. The links are both Kevin Cron reports |
| 16. By: ghill_3406 on 06-08-2011 10:32:58 Brad Miller is an exciting athlete!!! I have seen him numerous times this year on TV and in person. He played a much better SS this year and CAN, CAN, CAN stay at SS. If Stephen Drew, JJ Hardy, Paul Janish, Sean Rodriguez and Reid Brignac can play SS in the big leagues, Brad Miller definitely can. Craig Counsell, who everybody wants to compare this Miller to, and who I think is not as good of an athelete as Miller, has played 467 games in his career at SS. 13th rounder Jamal Austin is an 80 runner. Also is a plus CF. He led the Great Lakes League, which is one of the better summer wood bat leagues, hitting .463. Exciting stuff!!! Cohoes looks interesting....like this pick. |
| 17. By: michaellday on 06-08-2011 10:47:06 Brad Miller From Larry Stone of the Seattle times: The Mariners have taken Clemson shortstop Brad Miller in the second round with the No. 62 overall pick. He hits left-handed and has a .395 batting average, five homers and 50 RBIs this season. He has stolen 21 bases in 26 attempts. But there are definite questions about his defense, but after committing 55 errors his first two years, he has reduced that number to 12 this season as a junior. Miller is 6-1, 185 pounds and is ranked as the No. 68 prospect by Baseball America. Keith Law of ESPN did not have him in his top 100. |
| 18. By: csiems on 06-08-2011 10:56:47 @rocketdawg Thanks for the Brad Miller fix! Worked like a charm. |
| 19. By: masonb on 06-08-2011 11:17:11 That definitely isn't working for me. Mine already converts to .doc format but it's still the Kevin Cron report |
| 20. By: CyFelix on 06-08-2011 11:21:37 Like Cron better. Similar to his brother, minus the polish. Going to love seeing him through our system. I'm starting to like the Hultzen pick more and more. A lefty who can touch 96, command the fastball and already has two plus pitches with a potential plus pitch in his slider. He'll be quick and should provide us a great #3 behind Felix and Pineda. |
| 21. By: rjfrik on 06-08-2011 11:37:53 I'm sorry but I wasn't on the Miller pick at the time of the pick, I even stated "why did we just draft Kyle Seager again" and after reading that report, the pick baffles me even more. I just don't get it. In all the video I've watched on him, I just don't see anything more then a Utility player who might hit .285 with 7 HR's. It's like they drafted Willie Bloomquist. It makes no sense. And that report backs that up. Nothing special here, move along. I like the Cron pick, although he projects as a DH, he does have light tower power. Just wish we would of taken a big upside pick with the 2nd, someone who had 1st round talent, there were so many on the board, it had to be a money thing. Had to be. Ugh. We just swap out that second pick and I think our draft grades out a lot better. I hate to think we lost an opportunity this year. |
| 22. By: Jerry on 06-08-2011 11:57:09 I agree with rjfrik, The past two drafts have seemed pretty tame. We did pick up a high upside guy in Taijuan Walker, but most of the other high picks in the past two drafts have been pretty safe picks. Since the farm system is definitely on the upswing in terms of depth, I wouldn't have minded seeing some higher upside picks. Hultzen is a nice player, but Miller seems like a stretch. After that, we picked up a ton of catchers, a lot of live arms that project as relievers, and college position players who don't really have that much upside. I'd have rather seen some higher reward players. Perhaps the team is focusing on the draft to add guys who project more as solid contributors (guys like Seager, Pryor, Moore, etc) and bring in high upside guys internationally? It seems like the last few drafts have leaned more towards probability. Honestly, I'm not sure that isn't a bad idea. And I do have to give Jack and Tom the benefit of the doubt. I hated the Franklin pick, and that turned out well. I wondered about the Walker pick, and that has also worked out. Seager has also been a pleasant surprise. The club is doing pretty well, all things considered. |
| 23. By: bhenken08 on 06-08-2011 12:02:02 The mariners might of taken Miller because they knew that Cron was going to be expensive to sign away from TCU? |
| 24. By: ghill_3406 on 06-08-2011 12:10:27 #21: If you have ever seen the Miller play in person more than 1 or 2 times, instead of just watching a video and reading someone else's scouting report, who has probably never seen Miller play, then your assesment of him might have more value. Otherwise, that's just an uneducated opinion. Also, how many big league SS's hit .285 or more last year? 5. So, .285 would put Miller in the top 83% of all SS's. BTW- His bat is better than a .285 hitter. How many SS's hit 15 or more HR's last year? Only 8 How many SS's stole 15 or more bases last year (which is what Miller is projected to steal)? Only 10 So let's add this up: Top 80% of SS's in batting average, check Top 66% of SS's in SB's, check Top 80% of SS's in OBP, check All this from an everyday premium position player that will hit 2nd in your lineup. Sounds really good to me! |
| 25. By: baseballman on 06-08-2011 12:21:32 "Perhaps the team is focusing on the draft to add guys who project more as solid contributors (guys like Seager, Pryor, Moore, etc) and bring in high upside guys internationally? It seems like the last few drafts have leaned more towards probability. Honestly, I'm not sure that isn't a bad idea." That makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure if that's their strategy, but if it is it might be a good one. These high upside guys have big bust rates, so striking out in the draft and IFA is a quick way for your farm to go to crap. Jack has only had 2 high picks with us and has picked high probability college guys with both. Then with his later in round 1 and comp rounds picks he goes HS guys in Franklin, Baron, Walker which is a lot less risk missing from 29 to 43 than it is at 2. I'm not saying they play it safe, but they cannot miss on any high picks. |
| 26. By: Edman on 06-08-2011 12:30:42 ghill, I'm not as excited as you, but I'm fine with the Brad Miller pick. One thing I hate about player comparisons is that when they are made, people generally don't look any deeper. Is he a stunning pick? Not really. Is he a horrible pick? Not at all. One thing I dislike about the internet is that there are so many sources of information, good and bad. And people tend to pick the worst and assume that it what you're going to get. Seager lite? I doubt it. There are may first rounders who never even reach the value of a Craig Counsell. I doubt that the Mariners see his ceiling as being a utility player. Might he ultimately be? Sure, as will many first rounders, all of which were thought to have higher ceilings. That's just baseball. Glamour names don't necessarily work out to be value picks. |
| 27. By: daryob69 on 06-08-2011 12:44:07 I'd like to see the Miller report myself. My computer already opens it as Word so I cannot correct it the way rocketdawg31 can. I'm excited to see Hultzen start the season in 2013 or possibly 2012. That would be one heck of a top 3 starting rotation! |
| 28. By: StandinPat on 06-08-2011 12:53:27 "Also, how many big league SS's hit .285 or more last year? 5. So, .285 would put Miller in the top 83% of all SS's. BTW- His bat is better than a .285 hitter." BTW batting average is damn near meaningless, and that's simply your projection for him, there's zero guarantee he even reaches the majors. Right now he's a college player with no professional ABs, saying definitively that his bat is better than that seems more than a tad pre-mature. Additionally, there are questions abound about his ability to stay at SS, so comparing your projection for his bat to other players who are actually playing SS at the major league level may not be apt. Either way, I don't think anyone was saying he's a bad player or that they hate the pick, just that they feel once again the M's went with the safer, lower ceiling, but higher floor player. While it's certainly a good way to revamp a barren farm system and guarantee that you net yourself some guys who can atleast contribute to your big league club, it's far from exciting. And basically, you have a plethora of those types of players right now, so it'd be nice to take a little more risk at a couple of spots. Overall, I trust in Z & Co, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do. I liked the Walker pick last year, and loved that they rolled the dice on Stanek, Shipers and Paxton. I just wish there was a little bit more of that this year. |
| 29. By: StandinPat on 06-08-2011 12:54:57 #27 right click "scouting kevin cron" link, select copy address, paste in new window, change "kevincron" to "bradmiller" |
| 30. By: rjfrik on 06-08-2011 12:56:31 The statement that I made is my opinion based on me watching video of Miller. The only report I have ever read about him was the scouting report that Jason made and essentially it backed up my line of thinking on Miller, at least the way I read it. Ghill, you think he will hit for better average then .285, you think he will hit for more then 15 hr's, you think he will steal more then 15 bases. That's your opinion on the player. You have no facts supporting that because Miller has never played a single inning of pro ball to back up the statements. Just like there is no factual evidence to back up my opinion. All we can do is watch a player and judge the player through the avenues we have available to judge. As I stated I don't understand the pick at all. And in my opinion is a very different pick then Franklin or Walker, those were HS kids who had upside, if they hit their ceilings they could be special. In my opinion if Miller hits his ceiling he is Craig Counsel. Sweet!! Not exactly the pick I was looking for with our 2nd. I'm sure he would of been available with the 3rd or 4th round pick. I asked a question before the draft. With the draft being so deep and the M's picking high in each round plus an extra 3rd round pick how many players would crack our top ten prospect list? I thought at least 3-4 players, easy. But now I'm not sure if it's more then 1, maybe 2. And I'm fairly confident Miller isn't one of those two players. Is that really the pick we should of made at the top of the second round? We draft Susac, Howard, Meo, Norris, Hedges and those guys most likely end up in our top 5 easy. I just feel we didn't get the value we should of in this draft, nothing more, nothing less. |
| 31. By: Edman on 06-08-2011 12:56:38 I'm a little surprised with day three. The pitcher selections don't surprise me, but they haven't drafted many high school players. |
| 32. By: rjfrik on 06-08-2011 12:57:56 Exactly StandingPat |
| 33. By: Edman on 06-08-2011 13:02:01 Or, perhaps, rjfrik, Seattle didn't feel that those guys were worth their expected first round money? Hultzen is going to cost come coin, as well as Cron. Maybe their strategy was to get the best signable player with the second round pick, and go for a hard sign in round three or the comp pick? Some of you treat the draft as if the M's can simply print money whenever they decide to. |
| 34. By: Slack on 06-08-2011 13:02:27 I'm having trouble pulling up Miller's report as well. That's one I really want to check out! Anyway, as for my take on the draft, Hultzen took me by surprise but I am okay with the pick. I like the probability and what he brings to the table as a LHP. Would Erik Bedard pre-injury be a good comp or am I dreaming? As for the rest of the draft, I don't know what to make of Miller. I hope he can be an everyday infielder. Is Cron signable? I love the big time power potential! I don't care if he's a future 1b or DH as long as he can mash! I feel like the M's wimped out a little bit but some of these guys could turn out to be major leaguers and some of the higher ceiling guys we were hoping for could flame out. Thats why the draft is a crapshoot. |
| 35. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-08-2011 13:03:13 They drafted a guy who's at least physically interesting in the 37th round- a 6'7" prep named Jeremy Null from Bunker Hill, North Carolina. I'm hoping that a frame like that means he's got projectibility, but I know next to nothing about Carolina-area preps this year. Thoughts, Jason? I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm VERY curious to see Jason's assessment of this draft class later on this week. |
| 36. By: Slack on 06-08-2011 13:04:28 I'm having trouble pulling up Miller's report as well. That's one I really want to check out! Anyway, as for my take on the draft, Hultzen took me by surprise but I am okay with the pick. I like the probability and what he brings to the table as a LHP. Would Erik Bedard pre-injury be a good comp or am I dreaming? As for the rest of the draft, I don't know what to make of Miller. I hope he can be an everyday infielder. Is Cron signable? I love the big time power potential! I don't care if he's a future 1b or DH as long as he can mash! I feel like the M's wimped out a little bit but some of these guys could turn out to be major leaguers and some of the higher ceiling guys we were hoping for could flame out. Thats why the draft is a crapshoot. |
| 37. By: Slack on 06-08-2011 13:05:10 Sorry about my double post from above! |
| 38. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-08-2011 13:07:26 @Slack (#34)- What I did was get into the "HostGator Error 404" page, and just change the type from "kevincron" to "bradmiller" and replace ".php" with ".doc". From there, my MS Word recognized it as a read-only, and Miller's scouting report came up for me. The above DIDN'T seem to work for a couple of us, but if you haven't tried this, it might work for you. Failing that, I'm willing to e-mail anybody who wants it with the file I got. |
| 39. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-08-2011 13:14:09 BTW, Cron isn't regarded as a hard-core unsignable guy, or a guy who's gonna demand 1st-round money. But he'll likely go well over slot to get him out of his TCU commitment. This guy can mash, all right. But I wonder about the body. He's 240 already, on a 6'5" frame. And from what I see? My leading guess is he's one of those who isn't done filling out. I can easily see this dude getting 25-30 pounds heavier, just naturally. What that does to him as a pro athlete, I just don't know. He's got negligible speed as it is. |
| 40. By: StandinPat on 06-08-2011 13:14:12 "Maybe their strategy was to get the best signable player with the second round pick, and go for a hard sign in round three or the comp pick?" And maybe it wasn't. At this point your guess is as much hyperbole as anyone else's. "Some of you treat the draft as if the M's can simply print money whenever they decide to." How so Ed? How is saying "I wish they would have made more high-upside picks" the same as "I wish they doubled their draft budget?" Wasn't Walker a High-upside pick that signed for relatively little? High-upside doesn't necessarily mean breaking the bank. What if there was a HS kid available who had more projection left in him, with no strong college commitment? Is that player necessarily any more or less sign-able than Miller? |
| 41. By: Edman on 06-08-2011 13:21:43 Certainly, Pat, But some of the names that rjfrik listed were suspected to have wanted first-round money. Nobody really knows why the M's drafted Miller instead of their personal favorites. Perhaps, he projected higher on their board, than on the media folks? We don't really know. So, none of us should assume either way. They had their reasons, wheither any of us agree or not. Only way we're going to know who was right, will be two or three years from now. |
| 42. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-08-2011 13:34:14 Hmmm. They are really steering clear of the prep ranks in the later rounds, with the exception of Null in the 37th and outfielder Cory Scammell, in the 36th. |
| 43. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-08-2011 13:36:41 Oops. Scammell's the 35th round, actually. |
| 44. By: Edman on 06-08-2011 13:37:48 On a local note, the did take Smith-Brennan, Taylor from Edmonds CC. |
| 45. By: 24fan4life on 06-08-2011 13:52:50 For me the lack of high upside players drafted is disappointing-but I do believe the mariners are an organIzation that needs depth in the system to sustain success. Drafting some high-probability guys and a few safe high upside guys is the way to build that. I look at the good mariners teams of the 90's as an example of what if we had the depth. The team couldn't afford to bring everyone back and still have money to fill other areas of need. Besides a lot of these picks are baseball players. I'd personally take a high iq player with average tools over a low iq player with above average tools. |
| 46. By: vertigoman on 06-08-2011 16:40:32 Slack: "Would Erik Bedard pre-injury be a good comp or am I dreaming?" I'd say dreaming. Looks like they have similar FBs and are LHd but that's about it. Hultzen's repertoire seems closer to Hamels for a big league name. "As for the rest of the draft, I don't know what to make of Miller. I hope he can be an everyday infielder." Mac thinks he's a SS. Didn't think there was any reason to think he couldn't play ML SS. Lots of people are lauding his hit tool and plate discipline. Hopefully Mac is right on and JAC is wrong about his his defense. Plus he has a quirky batting stance! gotta love that. |
| 47. By: Phsballer on 06-08-2011 16:49:47 To DAmellan , i happen to go to gO tO school with Cavan and am one of his teamates he Is wthout a doubt the best Player in Europe , his infielding is phenOmenal and his arm strenth and hittIng is great. Ive seen him run his forty is incredible; he is i think a good pick that the mariners chose and will be a great addition tO the team |
| 48. By: rjfrik on 06-08-2011 17:15:45 "But some of the names that rjfrik listed were suspected to have wanted first-round money." Edman, that statement is true. But we don't exactly know what Miller wanted either. I would be very interested to see the dollar amount Miler signed vs. the list of players I mentioned. I would like to see if it truly was about the money. If it wasn't, if there is a few hundred thousand dollar difference then I pose the question; Why not draft the player with the higher upside? I just could never buy in to signing a guy because he was cheap or an easy sign. That led us to "waste a pick" on Baron. Thinking the opposite, such as teams like the Boston Redsox, let's them combine all those late round (drafting late in individual rounds like the end of the first, not drafting a player in the 31st round) draft picks into a player like AGon. You always have to take value. Maybe Miller has value that I cannot see. But, In my opinion, he doesn't deserve a pick that high based on his value. The last pick I thought this exact same thing about was Baron. We are seeing how that pick is turning out. |
| 49. By: rjfrik on 06-08-2011 17:22:43 Also. I think Hultzen is going to be far better then Cole Hamels. I think a lot of you are undervaluing Hultzen. I think his floor is Hamels, his ceiling is much much higher. I think he profiles more like Whitey Ford. Obviously I think the kid is going to be good. |
| 50. By: baseballman on 06-08-2011 17:29:03 Upside is not the end all be all. Quite a bit of time, higher upside equals higher risk. This isn't Jack and Tom's first draft. They had a plan and they know more about Miller and the other "high upside/high risk" guys than we do. We should stop acting like the term "high upside" means "better player" because those kids have tons of flaws too. I don't think it's fair to relegate a kid as filler, low potential or safe before he has even started pro ball. It's the same thing every year since Jack has gotten here, and after time his player prove he made the right choice (aside from Baron, yikes). Like mentioned before, the IFA is FILLED with crazy high potential players who also have high bust rates, but the high potential guys are there and we are always very, very active there. The draft and IFA go hand in hand with replenishing and building strong farms. |
| 51. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-08-2011 17:33:12 You always have to take value. Maybe Miller has value that I cannot see. But, In my opinion, he doesn't deserve a pick that high based on his value. The last pick I thought this exact same thing about was Baron. We are seeing how that pick is turning out. Your logic's unassailable, rjfrik. Although, to be utterly, utterly fair, the book can't be said to have been closed on Steve Baron's career/forecast just yet. (Yet, anyway. I think both you and Edman know what I think of that pick, and Steve Baron's pro prospects as a whole. I won't go into it again.) Miller's a lefty stick that can hit a little, makes the plays he's supposed to- serious doubts about his power. Also shouldn't take long to realize his pro potential. There's worse things we could've drafted. I'll go on the record and say I was hoping for a Susac, or a Delmonico. I was hoping we'd go more on the "visibly high-reward" side at #62. But, there's room to be wrong here. I'll be the first to tell you I'm not wise enough to have foreseen what Nick Franklin has done in professional baseball thus far. Maybe we have another pleasant surprise on our hands. |
| 52. By: rjfrik on 06-08-2011 17:47:53 I'm also not saying that we should of went for only a high upside pick with our second. We could of taken Susac, who is a college All-American, just like Miller, plays a premium position, just like Miller, but has a far better hit tool, a higher ceiling and the same floor as Miller. Maybe it was money like Edman claims or maybe it's just they had him rated higher like baseballman says. I don't know. All I know is what my own judgement tells me. And I'm not liking what that judgement is telling me. Let's hope I'm wrong on this one. I sure hope so. And yes the book isn't closed on Baron, God knows I hope he can be a viable piece for us in the future, but as of now that pick is looking like another high round pick wasted. |
| 53. By: Edman on 06-08-2011 17:48:32 It's way too early to give up on Baron. He's got a ton to learn. His performance in spring training, while a small sample size, also gives an indication that he's not hopeless. He's not a Joe Mauer type of prospect, so it's going to take a while. Is he likely to be a good major league catcher? Probably not. But, it's not time to cut bait, either. |
| 54. By: Edman on 06-08-2011 18:03:37 I don't claim anything, rjfrik. But typically it is money that dictates draft choices in the first five rounds. |
| 55. By: DKulich44 on 06-08-2011 18:56:09 #50. If Hultzen's floor is Cole Hamels, he's assured to one of the top 5 lefties in baseball. I think that's quite premature. Either you're very much overvaluing Hultzen (which is probably true since you compared him to Whitey Ford) or you're vastly undervaluing Cole Hamels. Why don't you just tell us Hultzen's floor is peak Koufax? I don't mind the pick, but let's not get crazy here. The guy has a lot to prove until he's in the ballpark with Whitey Ford, or even Cole Hamels. |
| 56. By: rjfrik on 06-08-2011 20:16:10 Im not a big Hamels fan. I think he is a top ten left handed pitcher, but I think he barely makes the top ten. I like Lee, CC, Price, Lester, Kershaw, Sanchez and Gonzalez more. |
| 57. By: StandinPat on 06-08-2011 21:56:51 #57 1) That's only 7 other pitchers, how is that barely making the top ten? 2) Gonzalez has had two years where he has pitched on a level that Hammels has for six....and Sanchez? Are you serious? |
| 58. By: DKulich44 on 06-08-2011 21:58:42 57. I'll give you the first five, and Hamels fits right in there, but there's no way I would take J. Sanchez and G. Gonzalez over Hamels. He's had way more success in a much worse park to pitch in. You're severely underrating Hamels. But anyway, even so, comparing Hultzen to even a top 10 lefty at this point is quite premature, and we're hearing him being compared to some of the best lefties ever. If Hamels was his floor, he'd probably been a consensus #1 pick. |
| 59. By: amd25 on 06-08-2011 23:28:57 Cole Hammels career: K/9: 8.57 BB/9: 2.33 GB%:42 HR/9:1.11 The guy does everything really well except suppress home runs. If Hultzen turns into Cole Hammels I'll be more than happy. |
| 60. By: dewey on 06-09-2011 01:34:19 #50 Our you really compasing a world series MVP to a first round pick? This guy hasnt done squat other then be drafted high the other guy is 2 years older and proved himself.Comparisoins our so cheap its sad.I believe in results not hype.But i am hoping this guy helps us get back to the playoffs here in Seattle not win the series just get us back in the race.We have stunk for so long i will take anything..lol |
| 61. By: baseballfan on 06-09-2011 07:58:03 It's amazing - 3 A.L East teams Toronto/Boston/Tampa had the best drafts IMO - if they sign most of their quality picks - I would hate to be in the A.L east |
| 62. By: Edman on 06-09-2011 11:23:55 Tampa Bay should have had a great draft, with all their draft picks in the first two rounds. If they put money aside, they could have backfilled their organization in as little as three years. |
| 63. By: Edman on 06-09-2011 11:34:40 A's fire Geren. That's kind of a shock, but it happens when you don't win games, no matter the quality of team and number of injuries. Bob Melvin is the new manager. I figured he'd surface somewhere. |
| 64. By: csiems on 06-09-2011 11:35:43 Fixed, thanks |
| 65. By: DKulich44 on 06-09-2011 16:13:28 As if on cue, our good friend Dave Cameron brings us this article over at FanGraphs about Hamels. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/which-nl-southpaw-is-greatest/ So again, Hamels is pretty darn good, and arguably a top 5 lefty in baseball. No chance that you can include Gio and Sanchez in his group at all, and even saying Hultzen's floor is one of those two may be premature at this point. |
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