| By Jason A. Churchill | ![]() | By 11-25-2011 |
The new collective bargaining agreement sucks, plain and simple. I don't care if you believe it's good -- you're wrong. Yes, there are a few positives, including the doing away with the Elias Player Rankings and the manner in which clubs are compensated for losing free agents. And maybe it turns out to be a good thing that the leagues will each contain 15 clubs starting in 2013 and as early as next fall we'll see 10 playoff teams, rather than eight. | 1. By: masonb on 11-25-2011 14:19:14 Jason, this is by far one of the best articles I've seen on the site. Thanks for laying it out there. It also helps--I would think-- to settle some of the dispute your readers have had over the whether these changes are positive or negative. |
| 2. By: Jason A. Churchill on 11-25-2011 14:50:03 Thanks, masonb. I think most fans are just happy there won't be a stoppage, and I can certainly understand that. |
| 3. By: k0o56 on 11-25-2011 15:26:14 I totally agree with you, Jason. There are aspects of the new deal that I like and some that I don't, but the main thing is that it's done and there WILL be baseball. And that's what it boils down to the most. Thanks for the great info and analysis! |
| 4. By: masonb on 11-25-2011 16:09:55 I have mixed feelings, because yes, there will be baseball, but I think it makes things in the long run pretty boring. Especially if Seattle isn't willing to pony up and bring the free agents on. Jason, seeing as how this CBA really effects amateur acquisition, do you see the front office perhaps altering their strategy for signing free agents in the short term? I know it all really boils down to what ownership is willing to pay for, but it just seems now that there is increased reason for maybe going after a guy like Fielder or especially Darvish. |
| 5. By: nighthawk180 on 11-25-2011 17:24:44 Thx Jason, This is a great rundown of the the new CBA contract. I completely agree with you. There are some good things but a lot of negatives. The trading of the low market teams is an interesting tidbit in the contract. Do you think this could be a precursor for trading picks in the future? |
| 6. By: Jason A. Churchill on 11-25-2011 17:44:04 Thanks, K0o56! masonb, Two things -- the M's are willing to pony up, as you put it, for free agents. But they won't make idiotic deals for aging players or handcuff themselves. The player, the right player, has to be willing to take the money. The strategy has never been to not sign free agents. The new regime under Zduriencik has simply shown restraint, but you can't rebuild an organization through free agency. They are the point now where a free agent or two -- even a big, gigantic one, no pun intended -- makes some sense. The Mariners have not been cheap; it's been a long time since that was true, more than 10 years. They spend unwisely under the previous regime, but the owners did spend. And no, not Darvish and especially not "especially Darvish." There's no team need for Darvish, and the risk there is quite large, anyway. He'll cost a ton in total monies and the M's need hitters, hitters, hitters. Darvish makes ZERO sense, unless they plan on a payroll crawling over $150 million -- and that isn't happening in 2012 or 2013. If the Mariners overpay, so to speak, for a big-name free agent this winter, it'll be Fielder. nighthawk180, I do think at some point the two sides may agree on trading draft picks, but it opens up a huge clerical problem, so they will need to create restrictions. I have always thought something similar to the NBA's might work. NBA clubs cannot trade first round picks from two successive seasons. That general idea can probably work in MLB, and some picks should probably not be trade eligible, such as compensation picks and/or picks after a certain round. The current CBA runs through the 2016 season, but we could see changes toward trading draft picks before then. |
| 7. By: jgstecker on 11-25-2011 19:31:07 I'm not sure that teams like the Pirates are worse off as far as the draft is concerned. Yes, they can't go after a Josh Bell at pick 61 anymore, but they also don't have to. This year, Pittsburgh got Cole, Bell and Dickerson in the top 100 for a total of about $13.5 million. Forget 2012's draft - its a mess. But look at 2013. Assuming the Pirates are still the Pirates, they're looking at a top 10 pick, a lottery pick between 25-30 overall, a 2nd rounder at 36-45, a third rounder at 66-75, and a 4th rounder at 96-105. That's 3 top 40ish picks and 5 in the top 100 or so. If 2011's class was drafted in 2013, they'd essential still get Cole and Dickerson and have to swap Bell for signable players at 25 overall, 36 overall, and 66 overall. I'd take that. |
| 8. By: Jason A. Churchill on 11-25-2011 22:01:12 It is still a hindrance to the smaller-market clubs, jg. Having Bell is better than NOT having Bell. So instead of Bell's profile -- a potential star left fielder -- they get, say, an average player in that spot, maybe worse. Granted, bell could fail, but there's a reason he was a first-round talent. That's the draft. Eliminating the player from Pittsburgh's options is stupidity. And yes, Pitt may not have that option whereas the Yankees and others might, How? Because they CAN spend in free agency -- and do -- and don't use the draft the same way the small-market clubs have to. So in such a scenario, the Yankees can punt on most the rest of their draft and just spent a major portion of it on one player, or they can simply say, screw it, we'll pay him and pay the penalties, even future first round picks. The big market teams can afford to do that. The Pirates cannot. Could you imagine the potential loss for the Pirates if they did that under these new rules, say, in 2010 to get Taillon, et al, and had to forfeit the 2011 first rounder? They'll have to choose between spending extra one year or having their pick the next. That's total B.S. and isn't why the draft is here in the first place. There's a reason the draft orders goes by record, and has for 45 years. It's to help the teams that have been struggling the most. And the new rules absolutely do hurt those teams, unless they happen to be a team like Seattle that has had a lot of early picks, and also can spend some money. |
| 9. By: nighthawk180 on 11-26-2011 00:45:24 Jason, A little of topic here but I read on MLB trade rumors that the reds are looking for pitching. They are willing to trade Alonso to attain the pitching. Do you think the mariners could match up? What kind of package? I dont think just league would get it done but was wondering what your thoughts on this idea. Thx Nighthawk180 |
| 10. By: Slack on 11-26-2011 10:10:45 I was waiting for an article about the CBA like this. Way to deliver, Jason! The CBA has my blood boiling! It really bothers me because the talent flowing into baseball is going to diminish and come in slower. I'm angry to see that its the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies who benefit the most. I hate seeing those teams in the mix every year. I've been waiting for smaller market teams to take them down for a long time. The Rays came so close in 2008. I've been waiting for Toronto to be king of the hill in the AL East but thats less likely now. |
| 11. By: csiems on 11-27-2011 02:10:37 Jason, Will there be expanded pool for teams that win lottery and expansion picks? Or will teams have to use the same amount to sign even more players? |
| 12. By: Edman on 11-27-2011 04:14:11 I don't think it's the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, etc. who benefit the most. It's the MLBPA that benefits the most. They get to hold on to those large contracts, while reducing the pot for the International Free Agents with the belief that it leaves more for them. I don't see that the new CBA benefits any Major League team, but it does hurt some less than others. I don't remember a single CBA that was ever received with full acceptance from the pro-player or pro-owner lobby. It will be different, and is a great deal more creative than in the past. But, there will never be a contract that is fair to the players, the owners and the fans. The fans are at the bottom of the pile, with little to say that can be heard. Until they stop going to games until MLB cleans up the system, nothing will happen. And, I don't see that happening in my lifetime. |
| 13. By: jgstecker on 11-27-2011 08:23:33 Csiems- Each team's pool will grow based on the actual picks they receive, including compensation and lottery picks. Reports that you may have read about a pool maximum (I've heard $11-$12 million a lot) are bogus. There's no way to predict the maximum number of picks a team could end up with Each team's pool will consist of the cumulative slot total for all of the teams picks in the first ten rounds. It will be interesting to see how many teams will reach for over slot guys in the late first/second round and then go super-cheap in the subsequent rounds. Or simply not sign those later picks to avoid the penalty. |
| 14. By: DMac33 on 11-29-2011 15:33:16 There's always pluses and minuses to everything ... Yes, you could have a situation where the two best teams in a league are in the same division and now one of those teams are subject to a 1-game playoff and at a potential disadvantage in the playoffs if they earn the Wild Card slot. But to me, all that does is restore the importance of winning your division. If you don't want to be in the 1-game playoff, then play hard for 162 games. I don't find it overly amusing to know in July each year that say the Yankees and Red Sox are going to be in the playoffs. What I would find amusing is going down to the last week of the season where they have a 3 game series where at stake for those clubs is a division title and the avoidance of a 1-game and you go home scenario. |
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