|By Adam H. Wong||By 04-29-2012|
|1. By: stundenull on 04-29-2012 02:45:02|
yankee fans still rue the day that they dealt jay buhner for ken phelps.
would be nice if history repeats itself, but hope pineda will come back healthy next year. he's a good kid.
|2. By: Jason A. Churchill on 04-29-2012 03:12:38|
The Yankees got the M's back when they sent Sterling Hitchcock and Russ Davis to Seattle for Tino Martinez, Jeff Nelson and Jim Mecir.
|3. By: docsmith on 04-29-2012 07:27:34|
I hope that Pineda comes back next year and does very well. Actually, what I really hope is that the Yankees foolishly sour on Pineda, cut him, we pick him back up and he comes back next year and does very well for the M's. But I highly doubt the later will happen.
I know that the Noesi for Campos part of the trade doesn't make much sense on a pure talent and ceiling perspective. Campos could be very good. We are hoping that Noesi is good. I am still believing he is better than his numbers indicate and his numbers will catch up to his talent. But as I watched our rotation come together this spring, the Noesi for Campos trade started to make a lot more sense. Jack still has to field a team in 2012. We have holes in our rotation. He needed to plug those holes. So, the choice was to trade away very good potential that was 3-4 years away for a potentially good starter now (that we control for 5 yrs). This takes pressure off of rushing Hultzen/etc, and keeps their arbitration clocks from starting too soon. So, is Noesi going to be better than Furbush/etc? We'll see, but I think so.
In that context, and knowing that Campos may not reach his ceiling (or the majors) and the pitching we have in the minors, the trade seems worth it.
|4. By: Jazz00 on 04-29-2012 07:55:33|
I've been following the New York angst about Pineada all week and it has been an interesting read. Pineada was a good kid and I believe all real Mariner fans are hurting for him right now. He didn't help himself by reporting to spring training a little out of shape but I believe the New York media blew that out of proportion. This will be a good learning lesson for him and I believe he will bounce back its just how high will the bounce be?
|5. By: Juan Valdez on 04-29-2012 17:17:08|
Hultzen got pulled today after 4 2/3 innings. Anyone know what happened?
|6. By: 11records on 04-29-2012 21:13:10|
RE Hultzen... It may just have been his pitching? In that inning, it looks like he walked a dude, gave up 3 singles, and hit a batter. And made a throwing error.
BTW - how much longer is Carp's rehab assignment? If he doesn't start hitting, might they simply option him? I know it's a huge fall from grace.
|7. By: maqman on 04-30-2012 11:47:39|
"It's tough news to take in for New York Yankees fans." I'm sorry but I find sympathy for Yankee fans an impossibility.
|8. By: Apostle on 05-05-2012 17:36:05|
Campos is on the DL and will have an MRI.
Not good news and I don't take any joy in that. I hope it's nothing and the kid recovers fully. I want both of them to do well (just not against the M's).
Still love the trade and would not change a thing about it. Campos was the one guy who I really didn't like being involved in the trade, but maybe he absolutely had to be included in order to obtain Montero.
I think Montero will be a perennial .280-300/30/100 type of bat for us, even in Safeco. The Yankees might win the deal, they might not, but the M's dealt from an area of strength to address an area of great need, and I don't think that's a bad thing. I'd feel the same way if Pineda was healthy and pitching well in New York. I was getting tired of us not having guys without legit power potential in our line up.
I think as Montero continues to figure things out, he will be a monster. Noesi will be replaced in the rotation eventually by some of our prospects, but he could still end up being a strong contributor in a bullpen role.
Also, the M's recalled Shawn Kelly from Tacoma and sent Erasmo Ramirez down. Reasoning being to stretch Ramirez's arm out in Tacoma and if all goes well, inserting him into Seattle's rotation in June, most likely.
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